Reflections of the Brownsburg Bullet

Joey Saldana
Daryl Turford
Jeffrey Turford

My father raced 25 years but I never really got to go to the races very much. Racing back then was more of a job, you didn’t really bring your family so really my mom was a single mom raising 3 kids. My childhood was pretty regular, go to school, play football, play baseball and just be a normal kid.

In 1984 my dad retired. I was just playing baseball at the time, just doing what kids do and not even thinking about racing. Once he retired in ‘84 it wasn’t so much that he gave me the option to race as much as I asked him if there could ever be a situation that I could race? I didn’t really think I was going to have a career like his, it just seemed pretty cool to do what my dad did and maybe it would be something I wanted to do.

I wasn’t really into racing yet but Andy Stapp had this go-kart and I remember going to Stapp’s shop and digging this piece of crap go-kart out and showing interest to other people and my dad in hopes that when they saw how hard I was willing to try that they would help me out. I actually got this go-kart and just piddled around with it. My dad helped buy a motor for it and I went and raced it a few times. I think right then was when my dad kind of went okay, I’ll help you out. It wasn’t like today’s world where he would help me out and be my guy forever. I was a junior in high school and you’re trying to figure out where you’re going to go in life, maybe to college?

My father and I agreed that we would treat racing like college.

My dad pretty much told me, if I wanted to race I could race. If I wanted to go to college I could go to college, but I would have to decide. At the time I chose racing so my father and I agreed that we would treat racing like college. My dad was willing to fund my racing for 4 years and said you’re either going to make it or you won’t. Back then in the 80’s and 90’s it wasn’t like it is today, we didn’t need a semi or 10 motors or whatever. We did have The All Star Circuit of Champions with Bert Emick and that’s really what set me on my path.

In the early 90’s I ran USAC. I ran Winchester, Salem, IRP. I did all of the pavement races. At that time USAC didn’t have a tire rule and they really didn’t have a car rule so you needed to have a pavement car and a dirt car really to be a legit team. The lack of a tire rule meant that you were spending $3,000-4000 a night on tires. My dad kind of explained to me that we could do this for a little bit but there was no way he could do it much longer.

At that point we started sniffing around The All Stars. I won my first All Star race in 1992. My win kind of started the ball rolling. I won $5,000. At that time to win a non-wing race you got like $1,000. The win was really neat for us because at the time I was working at Stealth Chassis and it was the very first Stealth Chassis ever built so it was the first big race win for Stealth and my first big win for myself.

Back then it seemed like The All Stars were a feeder series to The Outlaws. Haud, The Jacobs, The Blaneys, Joe Gaerte I mean everybody who came from The All Stars went to The Outlaws. If you were successful with The All Stars then at some point you were going to get a shot with The Outlaws.[/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_single_image image=”4048″ img_size=”full” add_caption=”yes”][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_column_text]It was at that point in my life that I started to realize what direction I had to go because you could actually make money doing it, or at least pay your bills. Everything kind of snowballed from there.

1993 was my last year racing for my dad. We ran the whole All Star circuit, I ran 3rd in the points and that kind of set the tone for my career.

I got hired into my first ride for Tim Hughes in 1994 and that’s how it all worked with my dad. I had like a college tuition in racing and luckily for me at the time it paid off. Looking back now it was probably the dumbest thing I ever did because I could have gone to college and had something to fall back on. Luckily I haven’t had that situation yet where I had to fall back on something.

One thing I have learned in racing, just from seeing all of the older time guys coming up is that there is no security in racing. I mean there is absolutely nothing.  You have to take your money and be smart with it and invest it when you do make it. It’s not like you make a lot but some way or another you have to figure out a way to invest it. When you get to be my age, in your early 40’s you have to keep racing and honestly it’s disheartening to see a guy like Steve Kinser continue to race. It’s not that he doesn’t have the right to do whatever the hell he wants, he does but for me I know what I’ve seen with Steve Kinser. I’ve seen it, I’ve experienced it and I know how great of a driver he is. A lot of new generation people don’t. I mean they see the number and then they see Steve Kinser race and they don’t really get to appreciate who he is. AJ Foyt was the same way, Darrell Waltrip was the same way. It’s like it’s all they’ve ever done and they don’t know what else to do and I think you see that in a lot of drivers. Those racers are afraid to give up the only thing they’ve ever known their whole life and it’s a shame that they can’t do something else and leave racing on a high note. You’re only as good as your last race so you really forget how good some of these guys once were and that’s what I don’t want to do.

One thing I have learned in racing, just from seeing all of the older time guys coming up is that there is no security in racing.

I want to be able to end this on my terms. I’m not a Steve Kinser or any of them guys. I to be known as being as could as I could be and not just somebody riding around. It’s a tough situation and for myself I’ve been lucky to invest, I’ve got some rental properties and some other things so if I had to quit tomorrow I could but I still race because I love it. I’m 42 now so I’m not ready to quit just yet but I don’t foresee me racing into my 50’s or whatever. I want to know that I’m giving the best that I can and I don’t believe you can when you are at that age. At least I don’t think I can. To be honest I don’t think I want to. Shannon isn’t going to like this but if I want to give my boys a chance at racing I’m going to have to help them out like my dad did for me. Shannon can’t do it and she’s done so much for my kids and myself. She’s a single mother too when I’m out doing what I love to do so there has to be some time where I sacrifice what I love so that I can take care of the people that have been supporting me.

Honestly, I’m looking forward to that day when I can take my kids and go racing. Hopefully we can have fun at it and enjoy it. When I started out I did it because I loved it, I wanted to be a race car driver, I wanted to work on it, I wanted to build it and hopefully I can roll that into my sons and how I was brought up. At the same time I really don’t want to be that father that makes their kid race just to say he’s a race car driver. Either they want to do it and sacrifice the time to do it or it’s not worth doing it but I want to give them the opportunity that my dad gave me.

I wasn’t ready to be a hired driver in 1994. I didn’t have a choice when I was offered the Tim Hughes ride. I had no other options. I did really good with The All Stars in 1993 and finished 3rd in the points. I think it was the year Frankie Kerr and Kevin Huntley tied for the championship. Tim Hughes had Johnny Mackison driving for him and Johnny didn’t want to run The All Stars full-time and Tim did. Johnny and Tim weren’t on the same page so Tim offered me the ride and I took it. It was probably the worst thing that ever happened. I was too young and inexperienced for it.

I went down to the very first All Star race that year and I won it which was probably the worst thing that we could have done. It was at Jacksonville, Florida, so I won the first night out. The next night out I ran like 4th. It was big for me, all of The Outlaw guys were down there. We went down to Ocala and run 4th, the next night I won. I’d just run 4 races in my first ride ever and I’d won 2 of them and hadn’t been out of the top 5. So now I started thinking I’m pretty good, I was believing in my mind I was better than I was.

When I raced for my dad I learned you used tires twice, you work on your car, if you bend it you fix it. It was a totally different mentality than what we have today.

Steve Seigel was the crew chief on the car which was a huge asset for me at the time. Growing up I got to hang around guys like Ben Cook and Seigel and Bobby Allen and I got to learn the mechanical side of it.

When I raced for my dad I learned you used tires twice, you work on your car, if you bend it you fix it. It was a totally different mentality than what we have today. I got spoiled once I started driving for Tim. He had money so we’d just go buy whatever we needed.  You forget where you actually came from.

I just did way too good way too fast. I ended up finishing 3rd in the points with The All Stars that year. We won a lot of races but it was the beginning of the end. I just wasn’t experienced enough to be in that situation.

It ended up being good for both Tim and I. Tim ended up hiring Dale Blaney and won the championship, I mean they did really well. The next year I ended up going to race for Art Wendt.

Art Wendt used to drive himself. He was owner of Wendt Trucking and drove a sprint car and had his own team. He’d been around a few years just racing himself but nothing to the point where he was like a serious All Star or Outlaw or anything like that. Art just raced sprint cars and enjoyed it. He had the money to do it so he did it but it got to the point where he had really good equipment and had built up a really good team so he wanted to put a driver in his car and see how competitive his stuff really was. He built all of his own engines which is pretty cool but those days are over.

It’s kind of interesting that not that long ago you could build an engine and go win an Outlaw show. Today that’s almost impossible. The world of racing has changed so much that you can’t do the things that made racing really cool. So that was pretty neat, to race for a guy competitively who was building his own engines. [/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_single_image image=”4049″ img_size=”full” add_caption=”yes”][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_column_text]I had a tremendous year with Art Wendt. The greatest season in All Star history as a matter of fact. We won 19 All Star Races and nobody has done that, Dale’s been close but nobody’s done that. I won my first Outlaw race. We swept absolutely every race we ran in Michigan. It was the first time I was a serious competitor. Together we won 24 total races that season. It was more about having fun and everybody got along. Racing was a lot of fun and it’s just hard to find that now the way the industry has gone.

That year were actually leading The Kings Royal and actually had a legit shot but we broke a lifter inside of 15 laps to go and I still ran 2nd for the longest time. Dave Blaney ended up winning it and I think with about 3 or 4 laps to go while running 2nd we blew up. I’d never had a shot at anything like that before. Everybody was on the same page and everybody enjoyed what they were doing.

Racing was a lot of fun and it’s just hard to find that now the way the industry has gone.

We went to The Knoxville Nationals that year and that was still when they inverted 10. I remember I qualified like 3rd quick and won my heat from 10th. No one even knew who the heck we were. No one had seen the car. It was really only my second year driving for somebody. It definitely opened the door for me and got me rolling in the right direction where people started paying attention to what I was doing and ultimately gave me the opportunity to race with The Outlaws.

Unfortunately very few people know about Art Wendt. I think the reason no one really knows about Art is because he was really in an out of sprint car racing pretty quickly. At the end of our first season together Art and his wife got divorced and ultimately the race team came to a halt.

The jump from anything to The Outlaws is much larger than I think most people realize. I think the gap comes from the lack of consistency among the teams that want to compete at that high level. Those teams spend so much money because they want to be at that elite team. They get frustrated so fast that they create the gap. They create a situation where the drivers and the crews are jumping around because they want success really fast. If you look at the teams that are successful it’s the team’s that have been together the longest and I think that’s where it all comes from. It’s no different than a Dennis Roth or a Keneric. When those new teams come in they want results. It’s a catch 22. You want all of these well-funded owners to come out and be successful but it’s hard for them to have the patience when they are spending that kind of money. I think that’s the worst part of The Outlaws and I think that’s why you get less and less car owners now.

The KKR deal also is strong because of consistency. I mean I was there for 7 years and it’s the same people in the background today. That group, that nucleus that they have is pretty tight and it isn’t changing. Justin Adams and Willie Kahne were together before way before KKR ever got going with Karl Kinser. Their notebook has grown tremendously and they have financing behind them. They know what they want and what they want their team to be. KKR may not be TSR but they are the next best thing and it’s no surprise to me that the two teams that have been together the longest are the most successful.

Everyone else is trying to be those teams but they want to be that overnight and they aren’t able to do it. That’s why you see that big gap.

One thing you do see that I do believe works is the team’s that hit and miss Outlaw shows and only show up to one’s where they feel they can succeed. Team’s like the UUI team with Chad and Brian Kemenah. Another prime example is Stevie Smith with Fred Rahmer. They do what they want to do when they want to do it so when they come to the race track they’ve got 110% in every aspect. Every time they show up to an Outlaw show it’s with their best car, best motor for that race track. Those teams know they’re going to be competitive and that’s why they are so good. If Stevie Smith and Fred Rahmer went on the road I don’t think you’d see the same level of success. Stevie and Fred have learned this over the years and they are smart, they are not going to waste their money. Stevie’s not gonna lose his confidence which is a huge part of it. If you go out and get your ass beat every single night your confidence is gonna get shot. You have to race smart.

Dale Blaney and George Fisher are the same way. George and Dale do their own thing and get their confidence up and then when The Outlaws come to town they show you how good they really are. If they went and traveled with The Outlaws I don’t think they’d do as well. Their knowledge and their age is what makes them so good because they’ve learned that they can’t outspend The Outlaws. They aren’t going to beat them up and down the road. However they do know that they can beat them on their own playing field.

They’ll sacrifice time, they’ll sacrifice money, but they don’t want to sacrifice so much money over time.

I think you’re seeing a lot more teams trying to do that right now and that’s why I think you see a lot less teams on The Outlaw tour. It takes a lot of money to compete and then it takes a lot of time. They’ll sacrifice time, they’ll sacrifice money, but they don’t want to sacrifice so much money over time.

I feel very fortunate to be in the position I’m in now. I’m going into my 18th season with The Outlaws and I’m actually shocked that you can make it that long. Normally you’re thrown out, you just get destroyed, these guys eat you up and you’re done and someone else rolls in for a few years.

All of these teams come in they spend a bunch of money and then they leave. That is always going to happen because longevity is so hard to do with The World of Outlaws. I think a lot of it is just that no one wants to put the time in collectively as a whole. No one wants to get their ass kicked for 5 years. I have, you just do it and you learn from it.

My rookie year with The Outlaws I went on the road with Gary Stanton’s Mopar Team. We had Davey Brown Jr. as our crew chief. Over the winter Davey actually committed suicide so that thing just fell apart completely. When that all happened I just felt like I wanted to go home. I didn’t want to race.

I went home for a couple of months and the season started in Florida. I put a deal together with Brad Gray who’s out of the Farmington, Missouri area. We ran just wherever, we actually a had a really good year but it was just kind of a nickel and dime deal.

Fortunately I was able to catch the attention of Steve Mox out of Ohio. Steve really wanted to run The All Stars full-time. It was either race for Steve or run locally and I didn’t really want to do that so when Mox offered me the ride to go and run with The All Stars I took it.

We went and ran with The All Stars and ran 2nd in the points. We kind of did the Dale Blaney and Stevie Smith deal where we picked and chose Outlaw shows we thought we’d do good at. We actually won an Outlaw race at Eldora. We were very competitive but we were smart about it. We had a pretty good non-wing mechanic in Daryl Tate. Most people didn’t know it but we built all of our own motors and actually set quick time on our preliminary night at The Knoxville Nationals. When Mox put the deal together we really didn’t have the money to go to like a Gaerte or someone. We had Gaerte engines but we built them all ourselves. Unfortunately that is probably what cost us The All Star championship because we just had so many engine failures that Kenny Jacobs ended up beating us. We won like 14 races that year and we were actually leading the points into the last month, we just broke a couple of races. I think we only got beat by like 15 or 20 points but we were really good.

Anyway, the next year Mox didn’t want to run The All Stars. You know how owner’s can be. It was probably out of frustration from not winning The All Star deal. We just kind of picked and chose our races and Daryl didn’t really want to do that so we hired Rob Hart. Our team raced all year, just ran wherever and at the end of that I kind of had some people talking to me about sponsoring me to put an Outlaw deal together.

Mox didn’t want to do the whole Outlaw tour but he wanted to be a part of it so that’s kind of how the whole #17 rolled together from The Mox car to our white car. Steve wanted to be a part of a sprint car team but he knew that was way out of his league so he continued to help me when I had my own car and then we picked up Hem-Saw and National Roadside Assistance. We kind of put it all together and then we went and ran with The Outlaws in 2000.

In 2002 I won The Kings Royal and that was the year we actually broke even. I won 9 Outlaw races, we ran 5th in the points. We had a really good year that year for our team. We were a low budget team and at that time I think we were competing against about 15 full-time travelers. It was back when you still had Jeff Swindell, Andy Hillenburg, Stevie Smith, Mark Kinser, Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell and we finished 5th in the points. 2002 really drove home to me that I wanted to be a full-time World of Outlaw driver pretty badly.[/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_single_image image=”4050″ img_size=”full” add_caption=”yes”][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_column_text]We went to The Kings Royal that year and had fast time but the way the format was you had to come from deep and win your heat. I was able to win the heat. Back then you drew for your starting spot in the dash and I drew the 9. The worst number was 10 and I drew 9. I started 9th in the A but on the very first lap Steve and Haud got together and I missed them.

I restarted up 1 row in 7th. We were really, really good and I got to 2nd like right away. Lasoski was checked out. Right before halfway I was able to catch him and pass him. It was probably one of my coolest wins ever because everyone was running on the curb and I’m like 4 wheels above it for the second half of the race.

I don’t even know how you talk yourself into running 4 wheels over the cushion. My car was just really comfortable and I was just feeling good. I’ve watched Dave Blaney do it, I’ve watched Jac Haudenschild do it. You can do it, but you also can bust your ass really easily there and that night I just didn’t bust my ass. It actually worked going up there. Probably the main reason I could do it though was because my car was actually good enough to go up there. If you’re not comfortable you’re not going to go up there so obviously I felt very comfortable in the car. It was a treacherous curb. It was maybe a car width from the top and it was a CURB, curb and I could just roll right on the fence like it was no big deal.

It was probably one of my coolest wins ever because everyone was running on the curb and I’m like 4 wheels above it for the second half of the race.

At that time I think Danny was leading the points and he had never won at Eldora and here he’s like flying. For me to win that race it was incredible, I’d just beaten the guy that was leading The Outlaw points. You know he wants to win there as bad as anybody because he’s never done it and we drove by him we flew by him.

That was really cool to me. When you look back in ‘06 when I won it again in Kahne’s car it was the same thing, I was above the cushion.

Unfortunately those days are gone. These days they’re trying to make Eldora more NASCAR-friendly. As soon as they did that it took the uniqueness right out of Eldora. That track was built for open wheel racing, it wasn’t built for a truck. They’ve had to change the configuration and shape of the track so that you can run a stock car on it and what did it do to us? It killed our cars. Nothing against Greg Wilson, but you shouldn’t ever go to a race at Eldora and dominate a race on the inside guard rail. It’s the same for everybody but to me the uniqueness and “The cool” factor is gone. I can remember going to 4 Crown in the late 70’s and early 80’s and these guys were just up on the fence and banging off the wall and those days are gone now. That phase is gone. Tony doesn’t really care though because he’s making millions of dollars on that truck race and that’s totally understandable.

The same guys will always be fast at Eldora though because when you do run there it’s all about momentum and keeping your car straight. I know Jac may not keep his car the straightest but he definitely knows how to keep his tires going forward all of the time on a track like that. Shane Stewart’s actually really good at it, Kerry Madsen’s good at it. There are a lot of guys who have figured it out but if you look they are also guys that have crashed there. I think you have to crash there pretty hard to figure out where that fine line is and what you can do. If you’ve never pushed your car past that line you just don’t know. You’re always going to be a step below where you really need to be and then when you find out how far you really need to be you can REALLY be fast when the track is right.

In 2004 we came out and finished 3rd in the points but we only won like 3 races and the next step was all about money. We knew we could compete with these guys, we knew we could be successful.

I ran the whole team myself. I put the whole deal together with Steve and we ran it out of my shop and we did everything as if it was mine. I was able to do it for 4 years and at the end of the day after 4 years my dad and I were talking about it and he kind of asked me if I continued racing what would I have? He knew I wasn’t making money. I think out of the 4 years I only had 1 year that I broke even. So we kind of asked ourselves what I needed to do to get better? At the end of the day we realized, it wasn’t our team, it wasn’t me, it wasn’t anything we were doing wrong it was money. It was all about money. I couldn’t get any more money. The only way for me to be more competitive was to have more money. My dad kind of sat me down and told me that I did the best I could do and that it was time to call it a day. We sold everything and I didn’t have a ride, I didn’t have anything actually.

That winter Kenny Adams and Red Stauffer called me up and told me to come down and run their car in Florida. I had nothing so I went down to Florida and we won like 9 out of 11 races. It was crazy.

Around that time Chuck Gurney told me to call this guy in California. Brian Sperry took care of it and we numbered it #17 so I could get tow money from The Outlaws. I drove it out there to get my Outlaw points and everything and my show up money.

The sport needs more Larry Woodward’s, Rick Rogers’ and Dan Motter’s.

At that time Larry Woodward was racing and had started The Volcano Joe’s Coffee #2. He was not happy with what was going on there and I knew I didn’t have anything so once we left California he let me drive his car and we ran 2 years together.

We had a decent 2 years together. Our first year together we won 6 Outlaw races. The next year we won 1 but I had gotten hurt and had to miss about 10 races. I really liked racing for Larry. The sport needs more Larry Woodward’s, Rick Rogers’ and Dan Motter’s.

If I hadn’t driven for Larry I would have never gotten the opportunity to get with Kasey Kahne. I guess it all happens for a reason.

There was like 9 drivers that drove for KKR before me, Jeff Shepard drove it, Tyler Walker drove it before I ever got to it. At the time taking the KKR ride wasn’t a slam dunk but Kasey offered me it and it was that or I’ve gotta go back to a ride where we we’d be scratching and clawing from week to week. It was a no brainer to take the ride to say that I had a job racing full-time but that was a scary time for me because you’re not sure what it has in store for you. KKR had a lot of good drivers and a lot of drivers changing so it doesn’t mean they aren’t going to do that to you. Usually you’re counting on a team owner to do that to you. Honestly though I tried to go in there with an open-mind and honestly, it was the only thing I had so I was either going to make it work or I wasn’t.

We had a really good first year together. We won a lot of races, won my 2nd Kings Royal and ran 3rd in the points. Honestly, in terms of finances people think Kasey put this team together from the beginning but honestly, when he put it together there was no money. It was actually him doing it and wanting a full-time World of Outlaw team. At that time they didn’t have Open Joist, they didn’t have Budweiser, Red Bull or Great Clips, they didn’t have any of that back then. It was Kasey basically getting Mike Curb, getting Sage Fruit, getting Team ASE and getting all of these guys who helped him get to where he was helping him out here or there. He put it all together and said lets go race The World of Outlaws. If you remember looking at that early car we didn’t have fancy sponsors, it was just a white car with little sponsors all over it. Once we went out and did really well that opened the door to go out and market it as a World of Outlaws team and that’s when we picked up Open Joist and that was our first legit World of Outlaws sponsor.

We won like 77 races in 7 years together so we averaged winning about 11 races a year and that’s a lot of races.

The next year we did really well and that’s when Kasey got The Budweiser deal and we had Budweiser for 3 years. He did everything right at the right time and then he began moving up his career and they started having to do things to keep Kasey happy. It all just worked.

For me it was probably some of the best times of my life. We won like 77 races in 7 years together so we averaged winning about 11 races a year and that’s a lot of races. I think next to Donny, that’s it, we won the most. We were there.

It was just like anything in racing though, there were 2 things we just were never able to do: Win The Knoxville Nationals and win a World of Outlaws title. We ran 2nd in the points twice and should have been 2nd in the points 3 or 4 times, maybe even won, but I got hurt. We ran 2nd 3 times at The Knoxville Nationals. So I mean in the 7 years, all of the goals we had, we met except 2.

At the time our breakup was bad. I think they just needed change and to be honest it was probably the best thing they ever did because they ended up winning a championship. That’s what they were working for and wanted and that’s what they got. Racing for them made me they made me a better racer and a better person. I couldn’t have won 77 races without them.

If you look at my career and we’re talking one year, two years and trying to pick my best years I got maybe one good year in my own car but with them, I had 7 good years and that’s like a lifetime in racing. If I wouldn’t have had what I had for the 7 years Dan Motter wouldn’t have done 3 years with me. KKR gave me 10 good years with The World of Outlaws.

As I said our breakup wasn’t good but to this day I have no drama with anybody from KKR. I respect everything they’ve ever done for me. I actually just had a long conversation with Kale Kahne for about half an hour. It’s just a shame because when you’re with a team for 7 years your family gets close to people. My son Reece is 12 so over half of his life has been around the Kahne’s and it’s just a shame in that aspect because you lose a lot of friendships with people that were around a lot. It impacts your life and it’s sad but in racing that’s the way it is. Situations in racing like that are sad. That’s the way racing is, it’s a lot of negatives so when you get that little bit of positive you run with it because you don’t know when you’ll get it again.

I ran 7 years financially comfortable with KKR but for the 3 years with Motter we probably didn’t have the finances that we really needed but those 3 years gave us time, they gave us exposure and it’s like anything else, if you’re out of sight you’re out of mind.

That’s the way racing is, it’s a lot of negatives so when you get that little bit of positive you run with it because you don’t know when you’ll get it again.

Dan Motter had never really wanted to get back into racing. He’d been out of racing for over 15 years. He heard I was out of a ride and I didn’t have anything and he came to me and said he thought if we did everything right we could probably put something together and race.

We came out the first year and he’d been away from it for so long it’s like a drug and I think he just fell in love with it again. Suddenly it was another year. Probably our 2nd year was probably our best year financially to have a legitimate shot. The first year got us in the right direction and the second year we were really able to go for it but the 3rd year we were just racing on what was left. We knew it was gonna be done so we couldn’t really spend too much. The first year you spend what you can to go race, in the second year you learn what you really need to go race.

We probably shouldn’t have raced that third year but he wanted to and we already had everything in place. We were selling stuff to keep us racing. We raced the whole 2015 WoO season on 3 engines which with The Outlaws is like nothing. The only reason we were able to do it with 3 was because we had such a great package with Speedway Engines. I live in Brownsburg, the engine shop is in Speedway. If we didn’t have Rick Long we would have never done it. We did it, we accomplished it and that was the end.

Honestly I wish Dan would just sit back and get his business going again because his business is what’s taken a hit over the last 3 years but I know he still wants to be a part of it which is cool. Hopefully this deal ends up being a win-win deal for both him and Dave Blaney.

So now I’m doing my third stint with Dennis Roth. We had some good races in Yuma and struggled to get the car right some other nights but like I’ve been preaching we just need to give things time. I’m looking forward to the journey ahead and hopefully I can write a few more chapters before my career comes to an end.[/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][vc_video link=””][vc_empty_space height=”20px”][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][/vc_column][/vc_row]